Raffi Garabedian: Yeah, I know, you want to know how. There's two keys here, okay Let's start with the energy resource. Because when you think about the cost of producing renewable or fossil free hydrogen via electrolysis, there's two components to the cost, broadly speaking. There's the cost of the energy, and done right, the cost of making hydrogen is dominated by the cost of energy. Well, let's, we can question that. And then there's the cost of the capital equipment. That's basically like the amortized cost of the equipment that you have to build to perform the conversion, right
Sherry> @Peace/CPA/Quack: I agree with people that say Planet of the Humans is less than accurateI would disagree with that. When you look at what was being presented, there was fact, and there was a lot of CONCERNED IN A REAL WAY people voicing opinions. Some of the facts and things shown were out of date, but they were videos and thus not inaccurate.> (I think I've called the producers negligent\" in that regard).You made your contention and now you sling the negative mud. Negligent Inaccurate can cover a lot of territory. You can be telling the truth, which I think POTH did fairly well to make a point, but have problems with the data but that do not necessarily extend to incompetence or prevarication. In a way that is a fair criticism of Michael Moore's movies, of which this was NOT one, but movie and documentaries are usually efforts to convince that mostly rely on emotion, just like we are bathed in 10,000 times a day with all the advertising and manipulative things we see online, click-bait, etc. So I have to complain about the word negligent. If I had to I might go with incompetent in that I don't think they went through the movie thoroughly enough, but they did say the facts were vetted.I would guess they decided not to miss a captive COVID-19 audience was more important than re-vetting, updating and refreshing the movie before a commercial release that maybe will not happen for months or even years.> I also agree with @Quack that it seems to be written by a bunch of disillusioned idealists who are giving up because the options we have aren't perfect.That's pretty much of a content free statement based on nothing but Quack's image of Michael Moore combined with this position in this world that I could say is threatened so he/she feels obligated to attack it for his own benefit, and be just as valid or correct. It is basically a I can say clever things in a way that appeals and activates my base ... think Trump's mode of campaigning or marketing.The point being that that comment is basically just name-calling.> So why does that message appeal to some peoplePerhaps because just as the inaccurate disillusioned explained in the documentary ( you did watch the documentary and pay attention ) , the first Earth Day was 50 years ago and we are not improving except in rhetoric and cheap talk. This meme is pretty well shown in the movie by the many cases of dishonest marketing.> Why do they find it so satisfying to purposefully sit and watch while we destroy this beautiful planet and so much of the life on itCome on that is such a desperately emotional comment that you can't know that they are sitting, watching and finding it satisfying that this beautiful planet and its life is being destroyed. In fact when you look, actually look, at the movie it's the exact opposite, they did they movie because they saw, and could make a case that it was everyone else sitting, watching and finding it satisfying that this beautiful planet and its life is being destroyed - that was the problem.> I need to understand that mindset better, because it is foreign to me.We all have our blind spots and imperfections, and that is why we must foster discussion ( not debate ) I was listening to a podcast by Sam Harris who made a great point about the difference between discussion and debate. Sam said that if he is a debate, it is a contest, if he accepts a point from the other side he is LOSING, and he has been in debates where he felt uncomfortable because the other side had a point or was even right - and he is wedged into paralysis because of the whole context of DEBATE, whereas if he was in a discussion the whole effort could actually be productive and create synthesis.Today there is this debate show on PBS - the Intelligence Squared Debates, but they are branded as Oxford-Style debates moderated by John Donvan, and the deadness and awfulness of the show is just as Harris points out. Very disingenuous rhetorical devices to manipulate the audience rather than to bring them into discussion. At least POTH generated awareness and discussion of these issues.When I was younger we used to have a show called the Advocates on PBS that was a bunch of renowned experts in their fields DISCUSSING and issue, and they were always useful learning experiences. Why is it that over the intervening time all these media shows have rotted to such a degree that they are almost useless for informing the publicBut the way, the POTH crew has editing the movie since it was so stridently attacked and removed from YouTube due to a excessively exuberant application of copyright infringement that is nothing but political censorship. Just based on the backlash and from who it says people need to see this and make up their own minds.
TOUR LEADER: Welcome all to Smith Street Named after a famous thief A picturesque burlesque A risqué place of mischief. Now, stick together, please don't be wandering off the denizens are dangerous they're full of rancorous wrath. And that's the folk that live here — the citizens on the hill Don't worry about the street folk they can't hate enough to kill. Here we have a monument a monumental monument can anybody tell me who's responsible for building thisCLIENT: A priapic pile of phallic pride a memorial to those who've died an excremental pile of crap a symbol of great hubris.(TOURISTS and CLIENT freeze. All others enter runningand take up positions. They freeze and then move slowly like automatons.NARRATOR enters. MR CLIPBOARD traverses stage during thefollowing.)NARRATOR: Dawn birds taken for police radio outside her window skin no longer a delimiter they tread their beat in her dreams and in the real Mr Clipboard does his rounds old man chafes at his sagging pants not even shopping or baggage deflects them we all look the same in the dark they are two sides of the one appetite circling closing as small boys do wheelies \"you waiting for a lift miss just checking\" Smith Street: John Citizen, Jane Citizen and every in-between citizen everyman, everywoman, any woman.(ALL exit, except ANGEL and NARRATOR.)NARRATOR: Starting early today, AngelANGEL: You gotta get them before work. Lowers the tension levels for the day.NARRATOR: I've always meant to ask you where you come from. You just seemed to appear a few months back out of nowhere.ANGEL: Where do I come from Who am I Why am I here A girl from the wrong side of the tracks A farm girl lost in the city An opportunist from St Kilda or the Cross Who knows What does it matter I'm here and the birds are singing in SmithStreet and the cops don't come out this early.NARRATOR: Not what I've heard.ANGEL: They're only barricading in the evenings. But I guess it won't be long.NARRATOR: I'm off to get some coffee. Catch you round.ANGEL: Yeah, later.(ANGEL wanders back and forth between hell and heaven, asif waiting for something. After a couple of turns, she leans up against the belltower and begins to chant the following lines.)ANGEL: Though so many people live on this street it is rich in trees, grass, and birds; there is always a light shining through thenight in the window of a flat — somewhere someone is awake. You are never alone, it's good to feel safe. Early morning movers come past throwing papers, making deliveries of legal and illicit substances. All cast an eye over me, some checking meout. I've blown men from all walks of life. Each has a technique they think especiallycool.NARRATOR: Tell me about it!ANGEL: Sidling up and taking control or standing cow-eyed to draw me to their side. Then there are the crawlers, who pull youinto their car before you've a chance to suss them out. One guy moved so fast he had me in there before I could shout, almost strangled me except I finally got out. That's when I took up Jack's offer to keep an eye on me though he takes half the earnings and charges me double for powder. Here he comes with that sarcastic leer wondering if there's any action.(JACK enters.)JACK (sung): I'm the noted name in the robber's game I shoot my mouth I take no blame I scream my pride my mouth struck wide I stream the street I ply my trade I sell your meat I deal high grade I cut the stash I hawk your gash I split the deal the punters squeal I strut your stuff I call their bluff I fight to show my bluff's not blow I strip the park I haunt the dark I split their heads I wear cut threads I'm the monster mobster macho man the street's my gift the sky's my span I lunch at dusk I spit the husk to livid spies behind privet eyes my name is Jack my name is Jack I spin the name of the oldest game I give a flick don't give a fuck you turn a trick hand, hole, or suck I hold the bag you make a grab you're spellbound by my gift of gab. (Spoken) How's it going, Angel Got some good gear coming in this evening, so look sharp. I like the morning when the air's clean. Though a bit of carbon monoxide goes with the territory! Look, we gotta watch out today, you know there's been some grumbling in the community, the Residents of the Precinct. They want your sort out of here. There's a lynch mob forming. I've heard a whisper from my contact that the wagons'll be pulling anyone working this street today. So if you see them, just keep walking, and turn into the Trinity where they can't touch you, okayANGEL: Okay.JACK: Whatever you do, don't carry any gear. I won't be far away, but I can't